Interview 5
Dan saunders
November 15, 2017
Hello! What's your athletic background and what initially motivated you to transform your body?
Hi everyone, I'm Dan Saunders. At the time of publishing, I will have just turned 32. My current physique stats are 5'10", 198 lbs (competition weight) and 208 lbs off-season. I've been active my whole life. I started playing soccer when I was probably around 7 or 8 years old and fell in love with The Beautiful Game. I played soccer all through my elementary, middle school and high school years. During high school, I had a knee injury which sidelined me for the duration of the season. During that time, I explored throwing javelin, shot put and discus but didn't really have the passion or drive to pursue it as I did soccer.

During the time I was sidelined and rehabilitating my knee, I found myself spending more and more time in the gym weight training. I already took a strength training class, but if I didn't feel like I had "done enough" during class, I would go to the local Gold's Gym after school and put in another hour and a half of weights. Of course, after consistently doing this I began to really notice some changes and muscle gains. That in itself was motivating. Somewhere along that same time, my dad gave me his copy of the first edition of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Education of a Bodybuilder. I was fascinated by how big Arnold was, the iconic poses he would hit, and his workouts. Bodybuilding — it was new and fresh to me and made me want to become a smaller version of him. And of course girls took notice, which became motivating in itself.

In college, I took a nutrition class, which in the beginning was like learning a foreign language, but I was so fascinated by how everything we eat affects the way our body responds. I learned that health is more than the absence of illness. I realized I had the power to literally create or recreate myself based just on what I ate. I couldn't help but fall in love with nutritional sciences as well and ended up pursuing a 4-year degree in Human Performance and Nutrition Education. I later became a personal trainer for a local gym franchise where I worked for a few years and gained valuable experience.During college, I explored different types of training, from powerlifting to Crossfit, different training programs and nutritional protocols before really investing my whole self into what I do now — bodybuilding.

With that, my training became more focused and intense to where I took this to a competitive level in Classic Physique where I am today. My goal is to see how far I can really go. My ambition is to compete nationally and eventually turn professional. It's simply a matter of time.

I love to share my passion for health, fitness, nutrition and bodybuilding with everyone. I love to teach and talk about it with everyone and I want to help everyone see the benefits that come with living a healthy lifestyle.
“Flexible dieting allows me to enjoy all foods and social events in moderation while maintaining weight and body fat levels within 10 lbs of competitive condition.”
What's your approach to diet and nutrition?
During my competition season, I definitely have a structured meal plan that I follow, which is restrictive for the time that I'm in competition prep (generally 8-12 weeks). In the off-season, I can be much more flexible and track macronutrient intake versus sticking to a rigid plan. Flexible dieting allows me to enjoy all foods and social events in moderation while maintaining weight and body fat levels within 10 lbs of competitive condition.

I do cook my food daily, which for me works best. It's just the way I've done it. My favorite tried and true pre-workout meal is whey isolate, Cream of Rice, and almond butter. Not only does it taste good, but it provides steady energy and has easily digested carbs, fats and protein that doesn't make me feel sluggish going into a workout.

Post-workout meal is nearly identical to the pre-workout Cream of Rice mix (hydrolyzed whey, cream of rice, no/minimal almond butter).

Here’s what my daily competition diet looks like:

30-45 minutes prior to Meal 1
Morning Greens Shake
• 15g - Glutamine for gut health
• 15g - EAAs (essential amino acids)
• 9g - Amazing Grass (I prefer Sweet Berry)
• 10g - kidney stuff - a blend of flax and chia seed, white kidney bean and other lignans for kidney health and function


Meal 1
• 150g - egg whites
• 112g - lean ground beef (bison steak or 96% lean)  
• 2oz - spinach/onions/mushrooms
• 80g - broccoli


Meal 2
• 50g - avocado
• 170g - chicken or 99% turkey cooked  
• 75g - cauliflower


Meal 3
• 7g - mac nut oil or olive oil
• 170g - chicken or 99% turkey cooked
• 75g - green vegetable (green beans, asparagus, cucumber)


Meal 4 - pre-train
• 30g - Cream of Rice rice cereal
• 50g - whey isolate


— Intra-workout layout —

Start to sip on way to gym
• 30g - Amino/BCAA
• 5g - glycerol
• 5g - citrulline malate
• 5g - taurine
• 5g - creatine
• 10g - glutamine
• 2g - beta alanine
• 1.5 liters - water


Post-training shake
• 30g - Cream of Rice rice cereal
• 40g - hydrolyzed whey isolate


Meal 5 - post-train
• 125g - jasmine rice cooked  
• 148g - chicken or 99% turkey cooked


Meal 6
• 112g - chicken cooked
• 250g - egg whites
• 75g - asparagus OR mixed pepper blend


Here’s what my daily off-season diet looks like:

30-45 minutes prior to Meal 1
Morning Greens Shake
• 15g - Glutamine for gut health
• 15g - EAAs (essential amino acids)
• 9g - Amazing Grass (I prefer Sweet Berry)
• 10g - kidney stuff - a blend of flax and chia seed, white kidney bean and other lignans for kidney health and function


Meal 1
• 150g - egg whites
• 2 Whole eggs
• 112g - lean ground beef (bison steak or 96% lean)  
• 2oz - spinach/onions/mushrooms
• 80g - broccoli


Meal 2
• 50g - avocado
• 112g - chicken or 99% turkey cooked  
• 75g - cauliflower


Meal 3
• 7g - mac nut oil or olive oil
• 112g - chicken or 99% turkey cooked
• 75g - green vegetable (green beans, asparagus, cucumber)


Meal 4 - pre-train
• 50g - Cream of Rice rice cereal
• 50g - banana
• 32g - almond butter
• 50g - whey isolate


— Intra-workout layout —

Start to sip on way to gym
• 30g - Amino/BCAA
• 5g - glycerol
• 5g - citrulline malate
• 5g - taurine
• 5g - creatine
• 10g - glutamine
• 2g - beta alanine
• 1.5 liters - water


Post-training shake/meal
• 50g - hydrolyzed whey isolate
• 6 Rice Krispie Treat squares or donuts


Meal 5 - post-train
• 125g - jasmine rice cooked
• 112g - chicken or 99% turkey cooked


Meal 6
• 140g - jasmine rice cooked
• 112g - chicken cooked
• 250g - egg whites
• 2 Whole eggs
• 75g - Asparagus OR mixed pepper blend
Do you supplement your nutrition with any sport supplements?
Yes, I regularly use supplements.

Supplements I use pre-, during- and post-workout are as follows:
• 30g - Amino/BCAA
• 5g - glycerol
• 5g - citrulline malate
• 5g - taurine
• 5g - creatine
• 10g - glutamine
• 2g - beta alanine
• Whey protein isolate
• Omega-3 supplement
• ZMA
What does your typical week of working out look like?
Sample Week Split:

Monday - Quads and Hams
Tuesday - Chest and Abs
Wednesday - Back and Calves
Thursday - Quads and Hams
Friday - Shoulders and Calves
Saturday - Biceps, Triceps, and Abs
Sunday - Rest

If I'm specializing a body part or doing a high-frequency program, I'll hit that body part on Monday, Thursday, and Saturday. I'll run a high-frequency program for each body part for 3-4 weeks depending on energy levels (if I'm feeling like I'm not recovering as well I may change sooner) before changing to another body part.
“I've done this for over 15 years and I'm still not where I believe I can be. But if I am consistent with the habits I've created, I will get there, and you will too. It's simply a matter of time.”
Have you found anything to be especially helpful or advantageous?
I’m constantly looking to learn. Having this attitude allows me to have an open mind and find things I might not have seen if I was stuck in a closed mindset. I choose the best books and learn from the greatest people in their field. Also, being willing to try new techniques or implement new ideas through trial and error. Success and progress are made through refinement and the more tries you give something, the more you can learn, adapt, and refine.
What mistakes have you made along the way?
Probably the biggest mistake was not giving my body enough rest: actually taking a day off from the gym from weight training. It's hard to do when you enjoy doing it! It's also hard to grow when you don't give your body adequate rest. I think subconsciously I fear gaining body fat, which won't happen taking one or two days off from the gym. My best results have come after a complete day of rest.
What are some of the best tips you can offer for others trying to follow in your footsteps?
I'll take a more philosophical approach to this question. Bruce Lee said, "Long-term consistency beats short-term intensity." It's consistency over time. We live in a world of immediate gratification. Rome was not built in a day and neither is muscle. Muscle tissue is not an app you can just download. It's done in a similar fashion to building a house: laying brick after brick, perfectly, one at a time that creates the house. I've done this for over 15 years and I'm still not where I believe I can be. But if I am consistent with the habits I've created, I will get there, and you will too. It's simply a matter of time.

Bruce Lee also said, "It's not how much you have learned, but how much you have absorbed in what you have learned — the best techniques are the simple ones executed right." This relates to mastering your muscles, the movement patterns such as squats, deadlifts, etc. and constantly analyzing your execution of said basic movement patterns and then refining, again and again. Done over time, you'll make massive progress.
Where can we find out more about you?
You can find me on Instagram @trainerdan1 and my athlete Facebook page is under Daniel Saunders. My website is http://www.dansaundersfitness.com. I work directly with people online with diet coaching and training. On my website I have a link to my blog, where I post helpful fitness and nutrition related articles. You can also subscribe to my weekly email list on my website. If interested in working directly with me, simply send me an email at [email protected].
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